Leary and Don Duyns
- 11 November 2001
Tonya: enters the room
xavier: enters the room
xavier: So, you've seen it all?
Tonya: What do you mean "seen it
xavier: I mean, the collapsing of the
buildings. The things we saw on tv. Again and again.
Tonya: Yes and no. I didn't see the
South Tower come down. I just saw the plume of debris from the ground. I
thought a bomb had gone off on the ground. It never occurred to me that
the tower collapsed, until I saw the second one disintegrate.
xavier: It never occured to you
because you considered it impossible?
Tonya: It never entered my
consciousness that such a thing could happen. Who could conceive such a
xavier: Well, someone did. Although I
think nobody could have known that those towers would actually collapse. I
think that's the point where they became symbols.
Tonya: I think they may have had and
now have, many different representations. Depends on the
xavier: Tonya, can you say if and how
youre life has changed since the terrorist' attack? Are you living in
Tonya: I wouldn't call it constant
fear. I would describe it as heightened anxiety occasionally punctuated by
xavier: The attacks, and the resulting
war against terrorism as CNN calls it, have, I think, created an
atmosphere, in Europe as well, in which anything can happen. Some people
think it's the end of a kind of hedonism that ruled the free west for the
last ten years.
Tonya: It certainly is a different
world...much was taken for granted. Perhaps this is why so many people are
Tonya: Also...the idea that "anything
could happen" - it has always been there. We are now, only far too
aware of it.
xavier: Yes, but I mean, it gives a 'wobbly'
feeling. Those attacks have created a completeley different atmosphere on
Tonya: Yes, you are right. I was on
the subway the other day and saw a lone package on a bench. Previously, I
wouldn't have given it a thought. Now, when I see something like that, I
feel the urge to run (something terrible is about to happen) and the urge
to stay ("Get a grip! Somebody probably left it by accident).
xavier: Sorry, I mean on THIS planet.
(Who's planet is it anyway?)
Tonya: It's our planet, but
unfortunately, we have some elements that "don't play well with
pieter: enters the room
pieter: (Tonya and Don, you have ten
minutes more to go. Then youll have to finish; Tonya may have the last
xavier: This is offcourse the way
people have lived for years in for instance Israel or Ireland. Terrorism
has spread all over the place (which, to my asthonisment caused a woman in
Israel to say, with a smile: 'Now they know how it is'). As for lost
packages in the subway or in the theatre: I allways feared them. I also
feared dogs and airplanes, but those fears I lost.
Tonya: When I have traveled overseas,
there was much more awareness regarding potential terrorist threats. I was
generally uncomfortable being faced with this idea. What changes for us in
the US is that we are faced with dealing with the aftermath of a terrorist
attack on our shores. It's here...not just "there" (where ever
that might be).
xavier: Maybe that's the biggest
change: the difference between here and there has blurred. One man can
kill a whole town, with the 'right' tools. Also: this man - or woman - is
probably living among us right now. But stay optimistic: everybody dies,
and most of us not by means of a bomb.
Tonya: Violence, hatred, etc. - these
are not new. I will stay optimistic - I don't have a choice.
xavier: I wish you all the best. NY is
a beautifull town.
Tonya: I hate to sound cliche - but I
love New York. I cannot imagine living any where else.
xavier: Nice last words. Good luck.
Tonya: Thanks to both of you.
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